From the author: Be sure to visit my websites: About hypnosis, psychotherapy in general, and a little about body-oriented therapy. Text version! The following questions were covered in the interview:1. How did your interest in hypnosis begin?2. Where did you decide to learn hypnosis? Why?3. Who do you consider your hypnosis teacher?4. What books about hypnosis made the greatest impression on you?5. What is the most interesting thing about hypnosis?6. What is the most difficult thing about hypnosis?7. How do you cope with emotional fatigue and negativity from patients?8. What is a “difficult client” for you?9. Do you refuse clients and why?10. Do you refer clients to colleagues who are better at something than you?11. Do you yourself need psychotherapy?12. What is body-oriented therapy? In what cases is it used?13. When are hypnosis and psychotherapy powerless?14. How has learning hypnosis affected me personally?15. What medical problems, diseases, can be cured by hypnosis? Presenter: Dear friends, Nadezhda Petrova and Vitaly Glushkov are with you today. In today’s conversation, I wanted to ask Vitaly a few questions about what got him interested in hypnotherapy and how he became a hypnotherapist. Vitaly, the first question is this: Where did your interest in Hypnosis begin? Vitaly: It was not even an interest in hypnosis, but an interest in how to remove the limitations that I had. Presenter: Limitations? Vitaly: Limitations of the emotional plane, then there is this when you want to do something, but, for example, you are afraid. Presenter: And you think that hypnosis can somehow help you... Vitaly: Then I started with what, it was very given, I wanted to learn how to meet girls on street, and went to training. Training dedicated to dating, pickup. And it turned out... I thought that I lacked some knowledge. They will tell you what to do, and everything will start to work out right away. But it turned out that this was not the case. It turned out that I had a lot of fears. There were not only fears, but some kind of mixture, that is, fear and shame and something else. And not only me, probably eighty percent of the people who were at the training were afraid of something. So when the training began, we had a group, I don’t remember exactly how many people, a stream, 31 streams, so, and at the end of the training there was only one group, but it already consisted of four. That is, it turned out that seventy-five percent of those who came, they simply could not do the tasks that were given to us. Because of my fears. And that’s when I started thinking about how to remove and remove all this. Where did these fears come from, how to remove them, and how to free yourself from these shackles. But I didn’t come to hypnosis right away. I tried different methods, then it was PEAT. I approached hypnosis gradually, I tried a lot. Presenter: And gradually, as I understand it, between the pickup training and the hypnosis training, how much time passed? It was all a journey - understandable, but how long was it? Vitaly: I began to be interested in hypnosis, to study in two thousand twelve, and that training was, it seems, in two thousand seven or two thousand eight. Presenter: In 2007, it turns out I've been working towards this for six years. This is quite a long way and now we will talk about it in detail. Where did you decide to study hypnosis and why exactly in this place. Vitaly: At first I started reading about it, I didn’t go to study first, and what I started reading was the book Ericksonian Hypnosis, and the author was Mikhail Ginzburg. A very famous specialist in our country, hypnotherapist, psychotherapist. And I started reading his book, the very first time I studied according to his book. Presenter: So, did you do some exercises on your own or what? Vitaly: Yes, I read, did the exercises, I had and now have a friend, which is very suitable for these experiments. So I tried it on it. And this friend too, no matter where he was treated, nothing helped him, and I started experimenting on him for the first time. But according to the book itself, I don’t have much either.it worked out because theory is one thing, what’s in the book. But practice is completely different. That is, something worked there, but there was no special result. Then, after the book, some time passed, and I went to the Institute of Clinical Hypnosis to study. How did I find out about him? I was visiting a therapist at the time, undergoing therapy, and I simply asked him where he studied, and it turned out that he studied there. This treatment didn’t give me any particular results, but I liked what it did and how it did it. I compared his work with what I read in Ginsburg's book and I liked it. After that, I decided to go to study. Presenter: So that you can do it like this, right? Vitaly: It worked out better. Presenter: Better? And when you were already choosing a specific place, what were you guided by, what were the criteria? And where did you end up? Vitaly: Criteria. Well, this is just one of the places where he studied, I decided to go there. And I looked at several places, looked them up on the Internet, and then I went to the Institute of Clinical Hypnosis, where there is also a well-known in our country, maybe not even in our country, Alexander Blinkov. He had programs posted on the Internet with his participation. Well, I also liked the programs. And he was one of the creators of the course that he teaches there, at the Institute of Clinical Hypnosis. He is its director and creator, as far as I know. So I went to study there. Presenter: As far as I know, this training was not the most difficult, and yet it did not stop you. So, after all, there was some kind of, firstly, strong desire, and something else. There was some other movement. Vitaly: Yes, it wasn’t cheap, but I had the desire, well, I liked it right away, immediately at the first stage I liked how everything was taught there, there was a lot of practice. Presenter: And you I immediately began to apply this somehow in my life. Or maybe there were some patients at the beginning? Vitaly: There were patients, but with me PEAT, I first trained as PEAT processes, as a PEAT trainer, I went to Serbia, to the creator of the technology, I studied with him. I had clients for PEAT. Presenter: Zhivorad Slavinsky, right? Vitaly: Yes. And then I started trying to bring hypnosis to PEAT. That is, to make some kind of hybrid. I started experimenting even before studying at the Institute of Clinical Hypnosis. And the effect was better. And there, during training, too, we were given some kind of task, we did it in pairs, and so I experimented there in pairs during training and brought something into my therapy with clients. What worked, what was effective. Presenter: Who do you consider your hypnosis teacher? Vitaly: Teacher? Well, this is probably Mikhail Ginzburg. Despite the fact that I did not directly study with him, I read his book 3 times, which I mentioned. All subsequent knowledge about hypnosis was already based on this foundation. Well, and then all those teachers who taught us at the institute. This is Elena Barkholenko, Sergey Bolsun, Mikhail Filyaev, Alexander Blinkov. Presenter: That is, there is not one teacher, all this is a joint influence a little bit. Vitaly: Yes, there are teachers there, they just teach at different levels. So I named them in approximately the same sequence in which the stages of training occurred. Presenter: Well, you’ve already mentioned one book, Ginzburg’s hypnosis, and what other books made the greatest impression on you as a hypnotherapist of the future? Vitaly: Well, this book Perhaps most of all, I was impressed, and also impressed by the book that was written by Vladimir Bekhterev. For a long time, this is “Hypnosis. Suggestion. Telepathy". In general, I started reading it because it talked about telepathy, but also about hypnosis and suggestion. That is, hypnosis without suggestion is of little value. And I really liked her too. Everything is explained thoroughly there. And the book was also written in Russian, which is slightly different from the way they speak now. So in an older style. Presenter: Bekhterov still taught, I think you said? Vitaly: Yes, he taught, I also really liked his book, but I listened to it on audio. Audiobook. Probably a few more of his booksI’ll listen and read, I also have one on the waiting list. Presenter: What do you think you’re practicing now, do you already have some kind of experience, apparently positive too? What do you think is the most interesting thing that attracts you most about hypnosis? In the process itself? Vitaly: Probably the most interesting thing is the possibilities that hypnosis opens up. This is a special state of consciousness in which you can do some things that are inaccessible in the normal state. Moreover, every time I learn something new about hypnosis. I recently watched a program, the program was old, filmed in the nineties, and 3 specialists were invited, and it was about the fact that sessions were held on television back then. And there was such an effect that for those who participated in the sessions, on the other side, as a client, their stitches, scars dissolved, they simply disappeared. This was a discovery for me. Now, if before this they had asked me “is this possible,” I would have said that it is impossible. But it turns out that this is the effect. Presenter: It turns out that in addition to the fact that a person watches TV, he also somehow believes in it, probably this plays a role, or is there something else in your opinion? How did it happen that the scars there disappeared? Why did this happen in your opinion? Vitaly: The person, of course, believes, plus a state of hypnosis, a state of trance, when a person’s suggestibility increases. Presenter: And the process goes faster, yes, healing, or what? Vitaly: Yes, the process goes faster. That is, Faith is a key parameter. That is, for it to work, a person must believe. Presenter: Despite the fact that he sees it on TV? Vitaly: Despite the fact that it is on TV. Well, the one who conducted the session was quite famous, and is still famous. He probably started some of his performances during the Soviet Union. But here are his initial programs, they were on television in the 90s. Presenter: What is the most difficult thing for you in hypnosis? Vitaly: Perhaps nothing difficult. Presenter: Everything is easy? Vitaly: Usually interesting and easy. But sometimes there are some difficult, complex clients. But we manage to get around all this. Presenter: How do you cope with emotional fatigue? Maybe some kind of negativity comes from the patients? Where does all this go next? Vitaly: With emotional fatigue? Well, you just don’t need to react to it, don’t resonate with it. That is, the therapist is like an empty space, emotions just pass through him. Presenter: Did you immediately begin to succeed in letting everything pass through you? That is, past yourself. Vitaly: Yes, it started to work out right away, almost immediately, you just need to distance yourself, dissociate, that is, look from the outside at the client’s problem, not get involved in any way, not immerse yourself, not sympathize. We don't need sympathy. This will no longer be therapy. Look at everything from the outside. Presenter: It’s probably difficult, even when you do it to your loved ones. Vitaly: Well, with loved ones it’s more difficult, but it also works out for the duration of the session, I enter a state that allows me to distance myself. I even noticed that the voice became different. Presenter: The voice became different, and, probably, you feel yourself differently, perhaps? It’s a different state. Vitaly: Yes, I’m taking on the role of a therapist. Presenter: Well, as a former patient, you could say I did a lot of PEAT, Vitaly also conducted sessions in PEAT too, I remember so many emotions, and most often they more negative, on my part, on the patient’s part. And Vitaly, of course, to be honest, already surprised me then. Because he can somehow look at it all from the outside. And this happily turned into psychotherapy. Who is your difficult client? We will put this name in quotation marks, because “difficult” may be a figurative name, it is probably just a perception. Well, with whom do you experience difficulties? Vitaly: The fact that the client is difficult, this usually happens at the very beginning. Even when you start communicating with him, he turns, that is, the person says that he has already been to five specialists, tried the first, second, fifth, tenth, and nothing helped, then it is already obvious that they will treat himdifficulties. Presenter: Why does this happen, in your opinion, that people go to specialists, sometimes good ones, I consider you a good specialist, but somehow this process stalls for them, why does this happen to them? Maybe your future patients, clients, who are also listening to us, may be thinking to themselves that it won’t work out, it’s all nonsense! So, who do you think is involved in progress? Vitaly: Here, on what can progress, development, healing depend, on the therapist - yes, it depends. That is, a person chooses therapists that I don’t know... maybe he was unlucky there several times. He chooses them according to some criterion, for example, cheapness, and it is clear that if the services there are very cheap, then he is either a beginner therapist or not a beginner, but he has no queue, no one. That is, it is clear that it will not be very effective. Presenter: So, the qualifications of the therapist. Is there anything else important? Vitaly: Of course, the client himself, if one side does 100% what depends on it, and the other side does nothing, then it’s unlikely that anything will work out. Presenter: What should the patient do in general? ?Vitaliy: Here you need to understand that the patient must also realize that the responsibility lies 50/50. What does this include? For example, if your therapist gives you a task to do something, then you must do it, despite the fact that it may seem to someone that this task is simple, some kind of nonsense. Because, if you take those most difficult clients, they usually also self-medicate, that is, they come to you and have already read a bunch of books on psychology, it seems to them that they know everything, but there’s one drawback, for some reason it doesn’t work . What they read and tried. From some point of view of their knowledge, it seems to them that this and that won’t work, that is, if you are such a client, you just need to forget about all your knowledge. Moreover, they did not help you heal in any way. And just do what the therapist tells you, just go ahead and do it. Presenter: Just blindly believe? And follow the therapist. Vitaly: Go, and also invest, try. Faith also plays a role here. That is, if a person has been to several specialists, his faith has been shaken, if he is 100% sure that nothing will help him, then I don’t know. This is a kind of suggestion, of course it has an effect. Presenter: And such a client will be difficult for you. Vitaly: Not that difficult, but it is clear that you will have to work with him longer. And it can be several times longer. Someone comes with one problem, there are one or three meetings, and it is resolved, and someone comes for dozens of visits. Here's the thing. Presenter: Now the question is, do you refuse clients, and if so, why? Vitaly: Yes, I refuse, there are several criteria, for example, if you have some kind of prejudice towards a person, but he doesn’t like you I like it right away. If you take him to therapy, you will have some negative emotions towards him. The man hasn’t done anything to you, you’re seeing him for the first time, but there’s something either in his appearance or in his voice that either irritates you. I don’t take such people; it’s easier to refer him to another person. Of course, this is a therapist’s problem; you have to work with this yourself, with such things. But until this is worked out, I don’t hire such people. Then in therapy this emotion of mine will be broadcast to the client. Presenter: This negative. Vitaly: That is, I then refuse. Presenter: This is exactly what the next question is related to. Do you refer to your colleagues who do something better than you? Vitaly: Yes, well, here you can take body-oriented therapy. I do it too, but there are people who have been doing this for much longer, several decades there, they just know more. That is, I lead up to a certain point, carry out something, and then refer you to another specialist. Presenter: That is, there are specialists who deal only with body-oriented therapy? Vitaly: Well, yes. Presenter: Well, about that There will also be a question about body-oriented. Do you yourself need psychotherapy? Vitaly:I think that everyone needs psychotherapy to one degree or another, it’s just that many people live with something and don’t know that it can be removed, that you can get rid of it. Presenter: That you can stop thinking about something obsessive , to avoid something. Vitaly: Yes, for example, to avoid something, to be afraid, some obsessive thoughts, emotions. Here they come, spinning in the head, and the person thinks that this is normal, some kind of fear. They think “well, yes, they do, everyone probably has them,” and do nothing about it. That is, almost any person needs therapy. If we take the therapist himself, then there is such a thing as personal therapy. That is, every therapist who works with people also has his own therapist, whom he turns to from time to time. Presenter: Do you have one? Vitaly: Yes. Presenter: Not a planned question. Here is a person living his own life, fulfilling some duties at work, something else, but from the outside it is clear that he could achieve more, greater qualifications, for example, and in life he could achieve more, to start his own business or something like that, but he simply doesn’t have such a broad horizon and he doesn’t see himself in it. In this case, do you think it is possible to help a person who does not yet understand that he can do much more in life? Earn more and achieve more? Vitaly: It’s fashionable to help if he makes a specific request. Presenter: If he admits it himself? Vitaly: Yes. If something holds him back, limits him, stops him, then yes. But if a person, as I already said, thinks that this is all normal, and it doesn’t occur to him that he can change it, somehow remove it, then no. Presenter: It turns out that he has no desire to get out of this state. And in this sense, it’s already difficult to do anything without his active participation. Vitaly: Well, yes. It’s not that it’s difficult to do, but practically nothing can be done without his participation. The first step to solving a problem is realizing it, that it can be solved somehow, and if a person does not even think that he has a problem, then there is no way. Presenter: The next question is - what is body-oriented therapy? And in what cases is it used. Vitaly: Body-oriented therapy is work through the body. For example, all people experience some kind of emotion. How does this emotion arise? You think about something there, something happens and then it appears in the body. Presenter: Always? Vitaly: Yes, emotions do not live in the head, they live in the body. Presenter: Does any emotion get caught in the body? Always? Vitaly: Not always. By nature, as it should be, a person has experienced anger, he must immediately express it, that is, it is needed there for something. Presenter: In words? Vitaly: at least in words or actions. And if a person cannot express it. It’s not the same situation or person somewhere at work in front of the boss. That is, a person cannot express it. It appears in the body, but he cannot express it, he suppresses it. And she remains in the body. It remains in the form of some muscles that have tensed and clenched. He walks with this emotion, somehow uncomfortable in his body. Then it gets used to it, but it remains, and of course it somehow affects the person. And body-oriented therapy serves to express and release what is in the body, for example, emotions, so that they go away. Presenter: and through body-oriented therapy this expression just happens. Vitaly: yes, it happens. But there is another nuance here: if the emotion is only in the body, if there is no problem at the level of the head, it is, for example, resolved at the level of the head, but something remains in the body, then we simply work with the body. And she leaves. And if there was still something left at the level of the head, there was some situation where a person did not express an emotion, it was removed from the body, but it also remains in the head, and in such cases you need to work with the head. To carry out such therapy is complex. Presenter: What does it mean at the level of the head? Vitaly: At the level of the head - for example, with the help of hypnosis. What is it at the level of the head - these are some of our obsessive thoughts, these are our beliefs, all beliefs are good,they were once useful in life, but there comes a time when they become obsolete. But the old belief remains. Working at the head level is just thoughts and beliefs. This is the order of things. Presenter: Yes. You still need to somehow understand that your conviction has somehow aged. And it no longer serves you, but slows you down. We still have to get to this point somehow. Any judgment sometimes serves, as you correctly noticed, and sometimes it slows down. And this inhibition still needs to be tracked somehow, to be able to. Vitaly: That’s why not all people come to a therapist or specialist. Many of them live their whole lives, and never come to the conclusion that they have some kind of problem. Some people solve it through alcohol, others through some other bad habits. But they don’t come to the therapist. It just doesn’t occur to me that this can be somehow solved. Presenter: We don’t have it in culture, in education. It seems that people think that if they went to a specialist, it means that their balls are definitely stuck in their rollers and something is wrong with them. And people are even afraid to admit to themselves that they went to a specialist, that they can’t figure it out on their own, alcoholism is better. Vitaly: Well, yes, the very word psychology, this word “psycho”, psychology, and the person thinks that I’m crazy or something to go to a psychologist or psychotherapist. Presenter: Although, “psycho”, in my opinion, is translated from Latin as soul. Vitaly: Yes, it means soul. And here you need to understand that they are psychotics in other places, in closed ones. In special institutions, that’s where the psychos sit. And if a person walks along the street, then everything is still more or less fine with him. Presenter: The next question is when hypnosis or psychotherapy is powerless? Vitaly: for example, a person’s legs or arms were cut off by a tram, maybe by train, hypnosis will not help here grow new ones. Presenter: Although, under favorable circumstances, let’s say that they were taken to where they needed to be, sewn on, and you could help so that the scars would resolve faster. Like those Soviet masters of ours. Vitaly: Yes, maybe it’s true, when I watched the program, it wasn’t said how it’s done, but you can experiment, try, I have my own thoughts on this. Presenter: Well, that’s all ahead. Maybe such a case will come along. How has learning hypnosis affected you? On a personal level. What may have changed in you, your views, something else? Vitaly: The changes are not even big, they are probably huge, because not only do I work with people, they also work with me, there are therapists in training. During these trainings in pairs, we solve each other's problems. Some problem is stated and treated as a treatment. Those same kind of suppressed emotions. beliefs that have become obsolete. All this is such personal growth, development. Presenter: Do you feel it yourself too? Vitaly: I feel it, and they tell me that I have changed a lot. That I, who was before and after, are two different people. Presenter: It must also be said that the training took quite a long time. More than a year. Vitaly: Yes, more than a year. Presenter: And then there is also training for those who think closely, this also somehow influences. Vitaly: Yes, like-minded people. Presenter: The next last question. What medical problems, diseases, can be cured by hypnosis? Vitaly: Well, these are so-called psychosomatic diseases. Presenter: For example. Vitaly: For example, allergies, psychosomatic diseases, there are some other ailments. But how can we understand that this is psychosomatic? It happens that a person has been to different doctors and the doctors find nothing. Everything is fine, but there is some symptom. In such cases, you might think that it is psychosomatic. Or a person is being treated, but there is no result. Also indicates that it may be psychosomatic. We need to think about this too. Now there is such a direction, it’s called new German medicine, or German medicine. There is such a doctor Hamer, he is from Germany, he treats cancer. True, this has nothing to do directly with hypnosis, it just has such an approach that any ailment, some kind of problem in the body is not a problem